His enhanced Stamina, healing factor and chakra is not gonna be there to help him spam Kamui without Hashi cells. He basically be like the same level of state Itachi and Sasuke were in, while they were using their MS.
And he's definently not match Minato without it. It wasn't getting beaten up that changed Sasuke's convictions. It was him being shown the extent of what his friends would go for him, the length Naruto would go for to fight for his friend and his dreams. And a couple of other influences from the Kages and Itachi Which kind of pulled him out of his "I'll destroy the Leaf" thing. I don't really think Sasuke wouldn't betray Madara.
He was a better choice for Madara, but he's not exactly the type to be manipulated for too long. Kakashi and Naruto's ideals didn't sway him to change from his path, Orochimaru Who is insanely good with manipulating others, even intellegent and sneaky ones like Kabuto couldn't keep him as his slave, and was later betrayed he believed that he finally got Sasuke to be with him and Obito, who manipulated him even further to the point of making him emotionally awaken his MS, only got betrayed by him.
Yes, Obito handled good against Minato, but it was thanks to a freaking lot of training by Madara and enhancements from Hashi cells. I can see Sasuke and Itachi going one on one against Minato with Hashi cells, like they just need to hit Minato with Amaterasu once. The thing that Madara noted about Sasuke was that he was cool headed even though he was facing against a legendary Warrior and a Ten Tails Jinchuriki like him. While even Kages were shaking while just fighting Edo Madara even before they about the PS and Limbo isn't exactly a regular to crack down.
Maybe it's just a simple watch for audiences like us, since alot of things are related to alot of others, but for in Universe characters that are living in a world where they'll be fighting things they never heard of, for the first time, it's not pretty easy to go through.
And in comparrisons to feats, I would say Sasuke does have more impressive ones in count, take him figuring out Deidera's Explosion jutu, or Danzo's Izanagi or even Madara's Limbo, three of which he never had the slightest prior info of and was actively in an intense battle, and even making a counter for it while during it. While it took Obito a while to realize what was Danzo doing during the battle, even though he was just sitting there and watching with an already prior knowledge of both Izanagi and Hashi cells and everything related to it.
The reason I wasn't impressed by the limbo thing was because sasuke could have done far better. I give him credit for trying to analyze it of course. Then his plan was to speed bltiz and seal madara. It wasn't very complex. For an extreme example, put shikamaru's father in that situation, he would have come up with a more complicated plan more quickly.
Other characters have shown the ability to quickly grasp new or foreign abilities, study their weaknesses accurately, and use their foresight, knowledge, and resourcefulness to counter act them on a higher scale. Madara himself literally did this better than sasuke, from manipulating obito, faking his death against hashirama, duping tobirama with a shadow clone, etc.
So I don't see why he was so amazed. While it's true naruto can hurt the clones which again, sasuke should be able to harm it too because he has six paths chakra, if he can split madara in half he should be able to hurt the clone We saw that clearly when the clone kept intercepting his attacks and knocking him backward.
Sasuke's plan should have been to: one, use naruto's speciality, shadow clones, as diversion. Have naruto make like 3, two of them including the real naruto go after madara, and sasuke , the real naruto, and another clone wait wait for the real madara to use limbo. The instant madara's clone appears, sasuke uses his teleporation technique on it. Now he and naruto have taken away madara's clone from him, and now the limbo clone is next to naruto's two clones, who already have the sealing jutsu ready to seal the limbo clone with shukaku rasengan.
The clone won't be able to react to two naruto's blitzing him from point blank in time after an unexpected teleportation. Now the real sasuke and naruto are in close quarters with madara, ready to seal him. Madara at the time couldn't use more than one limbo clone, so he would have been pressured more into using some other technique.
So much potential, but sasuke didn't think of any of this. The izanagi feat again wasn't that impressive either. Let's be honest. Danzo was fighting while heavily restricted by PIS, and he used the izanagi so much and so obviously that even Karin figured out the mechanics.
All sasuke did was camp in susano'o in that fight and overpower Danzo. His genjutsu trick was nice, except for the fact it was already established that Danzo could casually see through his genjutsu.
Obito had an idea he was using izanagi the whole time. He didn't think it was possible for Danzo to use it because he thought Danzo lacked hashirama cells, but when danzo showed the tree Obito instantly understood.
Deidara's explosion style? Sasuke showed competency in that fight, but when you factor in his visual prowess and an elemental advantage doing most of the work in retrospect, it wasn't as impressive. Obito hasn't had much opportunity to show off intelligence of analyzing a new jutsu, because madara gifted him with knowledge on many already. But a comparable feat again is Fuu and Torune. He masterfully caused friendly fire against a tag team duo who rather quickly analyzed his technique and came up with a good plan to counter it.
His other intelligence feats are things like playing the dumb and innocent "tobi". He decieved his organization and made Pain the puppet leader. And organization is hard to kill if you don't know who the real head is. The way he orchestrated Nagato and sasuke's descent into the darkness was also a big plus too. Obito also knew his own capabilites better. Sasuke charged into the 5 kage summit without doing any kind of recon in the event he had to fight all the kages at once.
Obito retreated from the 5 kages and instead went to go increase his strength first by getting rinnegan, and in fact sent sasuke there to simply test out sasuke's abilities. Sasuke hasn't shown anything comparable to this.
I'll be brief - Yeah, both are strong and Obito seemed to be super strong, but Sasuke could had been much more stronger than Obito by having Madara as his teacher. So yeah, Obito was strong thanks to Madara's teachings, but now imagine Sasuke being his pupil? CombatIQmatters wrote: The reason I wasn't impressed by the limbo thing was because sasuke could have done far better.
When facing someone who is both immortal and powerful as Ten Tails Madara, the plan scheme just becomes more simple. His plan actually worked, trapping Madara even before he could know of it.
But then they weren't aware of him being able to switch between clones. The same guy prior to even absorbing the Shinju who was fighting Eight Gates Gai. And the Shika uses takes advantage of their surroundings and the fact that their opponent underestimates them.
It's a different kind of battle genius that wouldn't work best over someone as overpowered and immortal as Madara is. The simple teleport and catch trick was enough, it wasn't like Madara would fall under any other trick, their only chance was to get him before he even knows. Every character does show grasp in new and differeng abilities. But most of them are not cool minded while facing it, and not every one of them faced the new ability with an overpowered and immortal guy using it.
Madara left a shadow clone body so no figures out his truth, that wasn't high intellegence though, you could maybe call it a feat of skill. He manipulated Obito thinking that he was at the top, until Zetsu himself told him that. May I also remind you that Obito if he did have any feats and Madara are over 30 years old, one of them being over a So yes, they know alot of tricks because they saw and learned about alot of tricks.
Can it be the same for a 17 year old? If Madara found it special that Sasuke broken down everything about his Limbo, then it means that it's not any small feat. CombatIQmatters wrote: The izanagi feat again wasn't that impressive either. Karin is not any average shinobi when it goes to the mind, yet she didn't exactly think through of everything, the instant she figured out Danzo's trick, she went on to advice Sasuke to hold back, which wasn't a good plan.
And Obito noted that Sasuke already figured out Danzo's trick and knew that he shouldn't allow Danzo to stop. And then in mid battle, made a genjutsu under an obviously visible genjutsu to trick Danzo. Gaining a wide compliment from Obito. CombatIQmatters wrote: Deidara's explosion style? His Sharingan allowed him to see what was infront of him, it was his own to understand what it was, the Sharingan is only good as much as it's user.
Sasuke analysed Diedera's explossions, that in truth wasn't that simple to figure out. In the end he made two plans to counter Diedera, while the other was oblivious to it. CombatIQmatters wrote: Obito hasn't had much opportunity to show off intelligence of analyzing a new jutsu, because madara gifted him with knowledge on many already. He literally just did what he always did, be intangible when they try to hit him. Anyone in the freaking series could have done that with his Sharingan.
Like anyone. CombatIQmatters wrote: His other intelligence feats are things like playing the dumb and innocent "tobi". He used two very emotional guys over what he knew about their lives. Log in Register. What's new. New posts. Log in. Install the app. You may get a message from your browser. It is not necessary to add this, but is a nice feature.
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User Info: AzureVergil. Sasuke just hate old people which is why he keep calling him a fossil. User Info: Dathrowed1. As the title says, why does sasuke hate madara so much that sasuke wants madara dead? I mean madara is an uchiha like him so I don't know why sasuke doesn't want to try to talk to madara like why he is evil. Well Uchiha's do have a thing lately of stabbing each other in the back.
Ethnocentrism isn't their strong suit sig. User Info: Scorpion Madara is partly responsible for the fate of the uchiha clan, thats reason enough. All I feel is pity. Scorpion posted Zetsu finally unveils the mysteries surrounding Kaguya and the wars that have shook the Shinobi world.
Naruto and his companions are drawn toward another dimension by the unstoppable Kaguya. Such an opponent makes Naruto come up with an unlikely plan. The specter of the Hermit Rikudo returns to his roots and Ninshu's origins.
An important but largely unknown chapter in history is finally revealed. While Indra inherited a real talent for the Ninshu, Asura, wandering alone in the mountains, is approached by a mysterious being.
As he appoints his heir and shapes Ninshu's destiny, Hagoromo sends his two sons out to complete a mysterious quest. Asura tries to warn the villagers about the Divine Tree's evil influence on their health. When they rebel, he decides to grab the bull by the horns. Hagoromo finally chooses his successor to lead Ninshu by seeking the help of one of his sons, but the young prodigy doesn't see it this way.
Tired of boring missions, Naruto and his teammates decide to embark on a very personal S-rank mission: discovering Kakashi's face.
While Naruto and Sasuke confront Kaguya, Sasuke is projected into another dimension. Will Sakura and Naruto be able to find him?
Obito remembers his childhood with Lin fondly, and then joins forces with Kakashi to help Naruto and Sasuke, who are in a bit of a bind. As Obito continues to remember his past, has the moment finally come for him to join Lin?
When faced with Kaguya's immeasurable power, Kakashi is ready to make the supreme sacrifice but his old partner in crime Obito surprises him again. The fighters find all the shinobis from the present and the past are gathered around the Hermit Rikudo. This time, it's time to say goodbye.
The companions, who thought that they'd finally bid farewell to ninja wars, now face a new, unexpected threat. As a lasting peace starts to settle, Sasuke proclaims himself Hokage. But alas, we quickly see that he wants to be the trailblazer of a new dark era. Sasuke and Naruto lead a gargantuan struggle to decide the future of the shinobi world.
Will Naruto be able to resist the power of Rinnegan? At the end of their last fight, Naruto and Sasuke lie on the ground, inert, their souls drifting towards the gates of death. While one character is celebrated as a hero, the other is languishing in a cell. Is this the sad epilogue that Konoha's fate has in store for it? This season takes a look at the childhood days of various characters.
Then, Naruto and Hinata celebrate their wedding, but not everyone can attend. Flashback to Naruto's and Hinata's childhood. Although their fates may seem opposed, they are both marked by an immense loneliness. While Sasuke and Sakura are still in elementary school at the Academy, they have already fallen prey to the first torments of life.
Gaara understands early on that he's not an ordinary child. Already disillusioned, despite his age, Shikamaru discovers the virtues of friendship. We return to the childhood years of Orochimaru, Tsunade and Jiraya, as well as Kakashi, Obito and Lin, when these young shinobis were still innocent.
The villagers who were reported missing and have been rendered unconscious, come back to Konoha to blow themselves up. Kakashi decides to call Sasuke. Looking for answers about the human bombs, Sasuke goes to meet Orochimaru who takes him to a mysterious island. Sasuke finally finds the arms dealer who once had a fighter with special powers in his service.
Will he be able to solve the human bomb mystery? After dealing with Fushin, Sasuke finds traces of Chino. She reveals her mysterious past to him in the Valley of Hell. The last two survivors of their clans clash in the Valley of Hell. Will the Uchiwa and the Chinoike disappear from shinobi history? Kakashi is named 6th Hokage, Naruto is preparing to use his power, and Shikamaru seems preoccupied by an investigation into missing persons. Shikamaru, Soku and Ro are trying to cross the Shijima border but Shikamaru fears that Soku's impulsive behavior will put the mission in jeopardy.
Infiltrated in the heart of Shijima, Shikamaru and his unit set out in pursuit of Gengo by identifying his many zealous worshipers one by one. Shikamaru is getting ready for the scheduled audience with the great manipulator ruling on Shijima. His memories of Shogi's games are his only weapon. Shikamaru and his companions are trying to stop the tyrannical power of Gengo, who is already probing Shikamaru's soul for his weaknesses.
Konoha is on edge as Hinata and Naruto's wedding approaches. Master Iruka is trying to fix the shenanigans of a trio of dunces by using old memories. The Hokage entrusts the shinobis with a mission that seems insurmountable: giving Naruto and Hinata the perfect wedding gift. Undecided about what to give Hinata and Naruto for their wedding, Shikamaru asks Temari for help. Is a romance about to be born? Kumo and Iwa have finally found their wedding present. It's up to Gaara, whose rank requires him to give sumptuous gifts, to dive into turmoil.
Shino and Kiba are busy trying to find a present and their wanderings lead them to distant lands. It's a real inner journey for Shino. It's up to Kakashi to appoint the shinobi who will miss Naruto and Hinata's wedding to make sure the village is kept safe. As the wedding day approaches, Konohamaru's project is about to be completed. Naruto's Master seems more and more consumed by doubt. Accept Reject Personalise my choices. Netflix Netflix. After training abroad for more than two years, Naruto Uzumaki returns home and joins forces with Sakura Haruno to battle an evil organization.
Watch all you want. Episodes Naruto Shippuden. Release year: Homecoming 22m. The Akatsuki Makes Its Move 23m. The Results of Training 23m. The Jinchuriki of the Sand 23m. The Kazekage Stands Tall 23m. Mission Cleared 23m.
Run, Kankuro 23m. Team Kakashi, Deployed 23m. The Jinchuriki's Tears 23m. Sealing Jutsu: Nine Phantom Dragons 23m. The Retired Granny's Determination 22m. A Meeting With Destiny 23m. Naruto's Growth 23m. The Secret Weapon is Called…. The Secret of Jinchuriki 23m. The Death of Gaara!
Charge Tactic! Button Hook Entry!! Traps Activate! Hiruko vs. Two Kunoichi! Sasori's Real Face 23m. Chiyo's Secret Skills 23m. Father and Mother 23m. The Third Kazekage 23m. Three Minutes Between Life and Death 23m. Puppet Fight: 10 vs. Impossible Dream 23m. Beasts: Alive Again! Kakashi Enlightened! Aesthetics of an Instant 23m. The Legacy 23m. Return of the Kazekage 23m. The New Target 23m. New Team Kakashi 23m. An Unnecessary Addition 23m.
The Fake Smile 23m. Untitled 23m. Simulation 23m. The Tenchi Bridge 23m. The Nine Tails Unleashed 23m. The Top-Secret Mission Begins 23m. Orochimaru vs. Jinchuuriki 23m. Sakura's Tears 23m. The Secret of the Battle! The Consequences of Betrayal 23m. The Unfinished Page 23m.
Infiltration: The Den of the Snake! Bonds 23m. Something Important… 23m. The Picture Book's Story 23m. Reunion 23m. The Power of Uchiha 23m. Title 22m. Nightmare 22m. Wind 23m. Writhe 22m. Deprived of Eternal Sleep 22m. Loneliness 22m. A New Enemy 22m. Impermanence 22m. Contact 22m. Teammate 22m. The Two Kings 22m. Jet-Black Signal Fire 22m. Lockdown of Darkness 22m. Revived Souls 22m. Everyone's Struggle to the Death 22m. Moment of Awakening 22m.
Despair 22m. Resonance 22m. My Friend 23m. The Quietly Approaching Threat 22m. Akatsuki's Invasion 22m. Under the Starry Sky 22m. The Old Monk's Prayer 22m. The Next Step 22m. Climbing Silver 22m.
The Judgment 22m. Unfulfilled Scream 22m. Last Words 23m. Sad News 22m. Team 10 23m. Target: Locked On 22m. Kakuzu's Abilities 21m. The Terrifying Secret 23m. Shikamaru's Genius 22m. Wind Style: Rasen Shuriken! The Price of Power 22m. Orochimaru's Hideout Discovered 23m. Encounter 23m. Connecting Hearts 22m. A Night of Rain 22m.
The Two Charms 22m. The Unseeing Enemy 22m. The Labyrinth of Distorted Reflection 22m. The Target Appears 22m. The Rampaging Tailed Beast 22m. Inside the Mist 23m. Everyone's Feelings 22m. Four-Corner Sealing Barrier 22m. Breaking the Crystal Style 23m. The Battle Over the Barrier 22m. Red Camellia 23m. Strange Bedfellows 23m. Guidepost of the Camellia 22m. Counterattack of the Curse Mark 22m.
Memory of Guilt 22m. Shattered Promise 23m. A Place to Return to 23m. The Serpent's Pupil 23m. Eye of the Hawk 23m. Zabuza's Blade 23m. Guardian of the Iron Wall 22m. Jugo of the Northern Hideout 22m. Assemble 22m. The Hunt 22m. Art 23m. Disappearance 23m. Twilight 22m. The Village Hidden in the Rain 22m. The Man Who Became God 22m. Honored Sage Mode!
The Tale of Jiraiya the Gallant 23m. Banquet Invitation 22m. The Longest Moment The End 23m. The Mystery of Tobi 23m. Fate 23m. Truth 23m. Battle of Unraikyo 22m. The Eight Tails vs Sasuke 23m. Wanderer 22m. Successor of the Forbidden Jutsu 23m. The Successor's Wish 22m. Rogue Ninja's Past 22m.
Heir to Darkness 23m. Separation 23m. The Forbidden Jutsu Released 23m. Master and Student 23m. Somber News 23m. Following the Master's Shadow 23m. Decryption 23m. The First Challenge 23m. Surpassing the Master 22m.
Assault on the Leaf Village! Power to Believe 23m. Pain vs. Kakashi 23m. Mystery of Pain 22m. Surname Is Sarutobi! Given Name, Konohamaru! Pain to the World 23m. Sage Mode 22m. Sage Mode Limit Reached 22m. Nine Tails, Captured! Confessions 22m. Planetary Devastation 23m. Fourth Hokage 22m. The Two Students 22m. Big Adventure! Meeting 23m. Origin of Pain 22m. The Tale of Naruto Uzumaki 23m.
Hero of the Hidden Leaf 23m. Rookie Teacher Iruka 23m. Iruka's Ordeal 23m. Iruka's Decision 23m. Kakashi Hatake, the Jonin in Charge 23m.
Inari's Courage Put to the Test 23m. Naruto's School of Revenge 23m. Gaara's Bond 23m. Naruto: Outbreak 23m. Team Tenten 23m. Animal District 22m. Ah, the Medicine of Youth 23m. Gutsy Master and Student: The Training 23m. Record of the Gutsy Ninja Master and Student 23m. Sasuke's Paw Encyclopedia 23m. Naruto and the Old Soldier 23m. Kakashi Love Song 23m. Neji Chronicles 23m.
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